Hello.. Every one having problem with own mac and xcode computer... I installed IAtkos and xcode in my intel laptop.. working fine.. i also submit in itunes.. this is duel boot sysytem pls look this site.. for more details http://www.osx86install.com/ u need one partition in ur windows system with primary enabled.. If u need any help ask me...

To fully understand this post does this enable you to run xcode on a windows system. Does the system need need linux on it. Any guidence would be helpful, I purchased a mac for xcode but I know many users who would love to use xcode on their windows system

One thing to keep in mind here...the End User License Agreement (EULA) for Xcode requires that it be installed on an Apple-branded computer. So, you would be violating the EULA by installing in on anything other than a Mac, and that *could* put your Apple Developer Program membership in jeopardy in the event they ever find out and decide to do something about it. Plus, you'll get no support from Apple on this configuration. Just something to think about! Mark

No need linux... windows7 or any windows..u need only intel board... try... i am using it Iatkos is Mac lion os u can install xcode sorry about my english

No apologies for your ability to converse in at least one more language than I can. GoNothwest makes a very valid and cautionary point. My developer status is precious to me and I would be cautious on any action that could jeopardize that. But thank you for your very interesting link

After reading @GoNorthWest reply, I have a question related to this. I am not an Apple owner, used to be, but have not for a long time. I am more open source now than closed loop (my opinion of Windows and Apple). I do not want to exclude apple from my developments in the future though, that would just be inconsiderate and disrespectful to their users. So ... In order to do what apple says, to be in compliance with them, I need to go out and purchase an Apple computer that I would only be using for this single purpose? I do not want to exclude Apple in my development, but will not go out and purchase a new computer just for this. The fiverr method would be a heck of a lot more financially reasonable, for an app that will most likely never be a paid app. Although I do not like the idea of others having to build the app for me, that is taking the fun part away from me :-). Not to mention thinking about new updates, simple changes, problem fixes and anything else throughout the life of the Apple application. I can understand Apple's purpose, for them to have full control over what is allowed on their application market (virtually from conception to market listing), but at what point does it make it a hindrance to the OS, by making it harder for people to develop for it. So, what would be a good suggestion for someone like me, to be able to develop applications for Apple myself and be within guidelines and regulations, without spending hundreds on another computer, if an emulator or system like IAtkos should not (can not) be used? Am not trying to start OS war, but trying to see what I can do, to be able to do what they ask, yet still be financially reasonable for us. Thanks for all helpful information.

Hi @FREESCOsoft, I was never an Apple owner, and never wanted to be one, until I got my iPhone, and decided I wanted to make apps. I don't particularly care for a lot of the restrictions that Apple puts on users and developers, but I want to develop for that platform more than I'm willing to fight the restrictions. So, I sucked it up (from my point of view) and plunked down $200 for a Mac mini on Craigslist. It does exactly what I need it to, and I can it serves a few other purposes as well. It's in no way my primary computer. I agree with what you said about Apple's control potentially being a hindrance to the OS, but they must not see it that way, otherwise things would be different. There are a LOT of things I don't like about Apple, but the fact is, if I want to develop apps for them, I have to play by their rules. Yes, I could install Xcode in VMware, but that would violate the EULA, and potentially risk my developer membership. Yes, I could have somebody on fiverr compile and submit apps for me, but that gives up a lot of control (not sure about the fun part you mention!) that I'm not willing to give up. And, yes, I could use something like iAtkos, but that requires more hardware, and will probably cost me as much as a legit Mac mini. Bottom line for me is that (1) I want to remain honest in the whole process, so I'm not willing to install a downloaded Mac OS X image on VMware, where I didn't pay for the OS, and (2) I really don't want to risk my developer membership at Apple. Basically, Apple has me where they want me, and I feel I have to play ball their way. It's their platform, and their rules. Yes, there are ways around it, but that doesn't make them right. Personally, $200 for a used Mac mini seems like a pretty darn good deal for me. I get an extra computer I can use for stuff other than development, I stay within the Apple guidelines for development, and I can feel like I've stayed on the moral and ethical road I prefer to be on. There are just times, I think, when we have to do things the way they're outlined, and this seems like one of them to me. But that's just me! Mark

Thank you, I do not want to do anything that I should not be doing, the reason for me asking if there is any other possibility than having to purchase another physical computer. Honestly the cluster I have in the ?server room?, does not leave me much room for more and my wife already said no to the living room and kitchen. ;-) I would really like to eventually migrate/include/expand my android app over to Apple also, and just to say, anything else that comes up too (Windows & HTML5 as shown on buzztouch source code download pages). I would like everyone to be able to use it, no matter what they use, but want to do it on the cheep, as I will never see an real income from these applications, even if it becomes a paid app. And for all those wondering, Android, not a Windows user but a Linux user ... Well yes I have windows, but do not use it as much as I use the Linux machine(s). Everyone has to have a common ground with the family, which mine is Windows based. Thanks much for the {personal view on this} Mark. I would like to know if anyone else has any suggestions, comments to this. The more information I can get the better informed I will be in making a decision. The decision being how to do it correctly, but as cheaply as possible.

The great thing about the Mac mini is that it's super small! It's tucked behind our TV, nobody even realizes it's there! I access it remotely from LogMeIn, so no keyboard needed! Let us know what you decide! Mark

Well the decision is a long time coming, as I am just starting my devel for the android, but am always looking to the future and thinking or planning things. I like a full plan before diving in {look before you leap so to speak}. Will be adding the Mac mini to the possibilities/options/choices.

What a great debate I only bought a mac to do apps, and as someone who used to love shareware and freeware and on the PC I was a little worried by getting into a mac bubble. I am like you in that i find OS debates tiresome - its more what you do with your equipment. I must say however that I find apple stuff to be generally easier to be productive. The mac saving in boot up time, trying to stop malware and the general hunt for correct drivers on a pc give me more time to be productive (the fact that I rarely use this time effectively is much to my shame.) The apps for mac desktop are amazing and very cheap in comparison to much of the PC stuff I have. Moving away from OS love because it makes the smug micro/apple corporations too self indulgent the key thing about the iOS app store is that it has much more purchased app market than android, meaning that you know if its well made and useful people are happy to purchase. The bottom line is that I would rather pay 69p for a well developed app that's checked by apple so it does not hog the phone memory or cause classes. I also have android phone and tablet and like the wild west frontier feel about the iOS. I have not kept up to date with android and will be moving into that market so my experience may be a little out of date. I think what naguchennai has done is give us a option, a rabbit hole to jump down. I wish any Alice's great adventure and hopefully they might slay the mega corporations hold on things, I just want to come to the madhatter party.

I can understand why they do it, the end product is what counts, as long as it passes. In our project we have beta and released apps. If we charged for anything I would never want to charge someone for a beta, as it most likely has bugs and needs works to make it 100% compliant. I can not and will not argue a point we agree on. What I would have an issue with is, the development platform, not the end product itself or its compliance. Using an emulator/simulator/whatever you call it, as long as the end product passes its physical requirements and courtesies and all the things that SHOULD BE DONE are done, why would it be so bad. I do understand it is up to them, that is their right. Again I am not trying to go against them, just trying to do it on the cheep, yet correctly for the app development part of it. I (we) always have a way to test it in real life, my son has a couple i{items} and I am not that much against them since he was allowed to get his toys ;-) everything is a toy now days android or i{item}. So, YES Apple can keep doing what they do in the scrutiny testing of the application, test it to the hardest to make sure it will not harm a system. BUT ... Do they have to make it so hard to try and be included in the family {so to speak} to not allow Windows running Apple, when they can run Windows on Apple to be cross-platform curious. I can say for me, I will be TRYING naguchennai's suggestion, if nothing else to at least get some practice with it to know what I should be doing. If I HAVE TO go to a physical Apple, well see what happens then. But without even thinking of adding it to Apple's market, I don't care about the scrutiny of the application (it will only be a sim app). The only other thing would be if the xcode software has an issue with running on an VM. Then I have to think about that issue. Thanks Marko for the input.

One last comment from me, and it largely pertains to the VMware *solutions* that I've seen. Often, they involve downloading a vmdk file that is essentially a full Mac OS X installation already configured and ready to go. Needless to say, no money transferred hands with Apple regarding the licensing of that OS software. Unless a person is heading down the Linux route, proper licensing of OSs should be kept in mind. There was a time in my life when I didn't care about that sort of thing, but I've since matured (at least in my mind), and it's an issue for me now. And, it is a legal issue, as well as a moral one, to consider. Probably too heavy, but I felt I should bring it up. Mark

Everything previous has been well said. My little aside is that most aspiring developers would be well served by testing the iMarket via non-iTunes store before moving on to iTunes. In fact I believe iTunes & Apple would be better off by creating a pre-iTunes store for aspiring / hobbiest developers. Think of the (future) Knowledge base that Apple is losing because of their current policies. Android will destroy Apple app by app and developer by developer. Several operating systems early on were much better than Windows, but Windows won. Why? So my prediction is that Apple will drastically change it's policies in the next couple of years. But I'm mostly reading tea leaves. So my position is develope my Android skills & knowledge, then I'll pluck down my $99.00 (I actually is not that expensive. But I'm part of the World's 1% as are 50% of Americans (I not! part of USA's 1%.) Therefore I endorse use of Jailbreaking devices, installing Xcode on Windows computers (and virtual computers) & non-iTunes Stores, if it's appropriate for you. Fred

@GoNorthWest, Yes I can agree with you, I don't want to be illegal in what I do, or as very little as possible to do what NEEDS to be done. The VM, would be that way (downloaded form some unsavory place most likely), would the IAtkos project that naguchennai, so thankfully mentioned, be the same, that would be the question. No monetary exchange, but is it illegal or in a violation. I like this idea a lot better than some VM with a downloaded ISO. @Fred I like the aspiring / hobbyist idea you mentioned, would be a nice way to help extend the family {so to speak}. I agree with a lot of what you said. If I NEED TO, I may, but would rather not if I don't have to. Yes, a $100/$200 is a lot of money considering the amount of use, and any compromises that may be needed, to be able to be able to afford it. We are also included in the same 50+% of the Americans, the project I am involved with does not pay me, and all of this is for fun, to do something, to help our users, or others. Putting out money for, playtime pretty much, can be hard to do, when everything is considered. I would just hate to burn any bridges that can not be rebuilt, so enter the Apple development with a lot of caution, thought and consideration. BUT again my Apple devel is not in the short term time frame, it will be a while, so have plenty of time to think and consider. Thanks all and especially naguchennai (by the way, I like the new avatar) Thanks all for letting me rant :-) it is all real helpful

To make a 2nd point if I may - As someone who believe co-operatism will beat capitalism I completely understand Fred comments, but respectfully Fred I think you are missing one fundamental point. The best way is to use the Buzztouch model - BT is best served by having some elements open and free, but if David et al wished to charge that would be there prerogative. If another app site opened but was completely free, that does not mean I can hack into BT because I think they should be free as well. iOS run there platform one way android another that's each companies prerogative. Google business model is largely on data capture and selling that on, while Apples is Hardware and software (and data), just because one is more open I think it would be incorrect to think is open source. I am struck as I get more involved in this how I feel that morality is a key to all actions. I agree by using xcode to conduct myself in a particular manner, I am boy enough enough to admit I am tempted by getting things that should be paid for free, I am man enough to reject temptation, and experienced enough to know I can sound a real righteous plonker. PS Didn't google have a company moto saying 'do good' (or something before agreeing with Chinese censorship. Maybe if you look under google china you will see tiananmen square as really rubber tanks filmed by the same people who did the nevada moon landings

QUOTE Maybe if you look under google china you will see tiananmen square as really rubber tanks filmed by the same people who did the nevada moon landings END QUOTE LOL LOL LOL Thanks for lightening it up, I love it, just sounds so funny, and that's all the deeper I am going in to that statement.

@FREESCOsoft, I think iAtkos would be in violation of the Xcode EULA, because it's not an Apple branded computer. Seems pretty cut and dry to me on that point. @Marko, You totally nailed what I was trying to say with your *I am struck as I get...* statement. I could not have said it better, and that's really what I was trying to say. Bravo! Mark

@Marko, I don't miss that point (sorta of). Jailbreaking is legal. Using non-iTunes stores is legal. Installing Xcode on Windows computers is . . . ? (I haven't fully explored Mark's point about violating the EULA.) If anyone knows more about this issue I would like to hear about it. I'm inclined to think it's not as simple Apple wishes it to be because they lost on the issue of Jailbreaking. How can you create iDevice apps without using Xcode is probably the solution. But two out of three, not bad, means we mostly agree. I do believe in playing by the rules, but I don't believe one can makeup rules and expect everyone to follow their rules if they have no authority to impose the rules. Just because you says these are the rules doesn't make it so. (Apple certainly doesn't play by the rules. They only follow the ones they like, and make up nonsense hoping everyone will never look behind the curtain.) Fred

Hi Fred, As friends I think it is imperative that I be honest and respectful, I disagree with you with every scintilla of my being. There are many things that are legal but are not moral, I have heard bankers in the UK cry apologists while there lawyers fight tooth and nail to state that there pension fund and bonuses are legally written contracts. When is it that someone who looks after our money is paid more than someone who looks after our heart, lungs and other organs? The open source nature does not apply to apple inc. I knew that when I walked in thier house, took there toolkits, used there knowledge base and started to learn apps. You have been one of those instrumental people in helping me late in the night when I am stuck on things. I understand and respect your open collaborative feelings. I know fred you would not Jailbreak Buzztouch if they started to charge for app development, you would feel that's morally wrong thing. Our morality travels with us and is not interchangeable by the size business we deal with. When I was a kid and stole sweets my local shop it was as equally bad as when I got more change than I deserved in some large department store. I agree that these cool dynamic businesses grow into monolithic mercantilistic monsters and I dislike them for it, but when there product is not a necessity for life and death, taking it unpaid or outside of the terms is like the time I said to my mum I would only borrow the car for two hours and took it overnight to the beach because I had watched the film point break and felt if i breathed in I looked a little like keanu reeves. Please don't feel that I am being righteous as my list of moral misdemeanors is as long as everyone else.

@Marko, I think you missed the point of my last post. I conceded that I've haven't figured out what to do about the EULA. Whereas Jailbreaking is legal and not morally wrong. Read the Decision about this and you'll understand why Apple policy is overreaching on this point. A car manufacturer can not tell me where I can drive or what after marker items I allowed to use. Nor can Apple. That's why I posed the question, 'How to create an iDevice app without XCode?'. No Xcode = no EULA FRED

Hi Fred, I think your analogy about a car is a very cool concept. I see what you are saying and referencing this point with your idea of a pre-itunes store is genuis. I concede also what you say about EULA What apple are really saying is that if you want to write apple apps and sell them on our store, you have to have an apple computer. Fred what I think is that you don't like that caveat, you are an inclusive helpful person and the snotty exclusiveness of the apple submission get up your bear nose . My view and I am not implying that it is the correct view it is just my view, its apples store and that how they want to do business. If they get to snooty or if they get to restrictive people will move over to android or windows. As a side point this week I am focusing on moving two apps onto the android marketplace and will wrestle and be able to give a more balanced viewpoint when I have done so. If I have come across as argumentative please accept my apology and I will send a pot of honey for the bear

This is what I love about buzztouch! In any other forum, this would have turned into a huge flame war with all kinds of name calling. Here, at buzztouch, we were able to have an informed discussion with varied viewpoints, and all leave still respecting each other. Awesome! Mark

No, my problem with Apple is not their snotty exclusiveness (But I concede that point.) It's personal! My brother gave my mom an iPad for Christmas several years back. Was he around show her how to use it. Noooooo! Guess who had to do that. Did the iPad have any instructions on how to do anything. Nooooooo why? because it's os good it doesn't need instructions. My experience has been that only those who know how to use an iPad should use one. Only those whom live near their mom should give them an iPad. Windows is better documented and has a larger user base and has better tools. Therefore I shouldn't have to guess how to do it the Apple way. But like I said it personal. Fred

LOL Fred I feel we may need to move to a psycology today forum for those sibling abandonment issues. PS I have an old windows CE tablet if your mum wants it, it has no apps, the battery requirements of an 80's ghetto blaster, and the screen clarity of an ice road trucker PPS it did take me 30 mins to find out where to put the sim card in a iphone4 PPPS I phoned my old irish mother and she said I should have read the manual (rtfm)