Hi gang, ########################################### UPDATE POSTED 06/09/14 05:23 PM PST (Scroll down) ########################################### Many of you have begun contacting me and others on the leadership team with questions and concerns about how Swift (announced at this years WWDC conference) may or may not affect Buzztouch, your projects, and other development concepts we embrace. I have many thoughts on this and will update this post as more and more news rolls out this week. I'm posting here to let you know that we are monitoring the news closely and look forward to any changes Apple announces. We've allways said that CHANGE IS GOOD, and this years WWDC will bring lots of it. Like it always does. Awesome stuff. Subscribe to this post and I'll update it as the week rolls out. We're also planning a developer meeting (GoToMeeting web meeting) to hash out some of the new ideas Apple is talking about. Exciting stuff... David

Full faith in the Buzztouch team

David, You are AWESOME!!!

Thank you for being on top of this

I do only Android, just following anyway... Nice to see you here David.

One thing I was glad to hear in the Swift presentation, is that the Swift code can coexist with ObjC and C in the same app.

I found this online: http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/01/technology/mobile/apple-wwdc/ The post and particularly the readers' comments might interest you...

An engadget article had a link to the Apple Swift Programming Language free book: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/swift-programming-language/id881256329?mt=11&at=10l6nh&ct=ms_inline Looks cool!

Wow, nice find on the book NCBuzz. 500 pages, and free! Downloaded it for those times I'm on a plane or something with no wifi. ;). Looks pretty cool. So it looks like you can code in objective C, swift, or a combo of both, so at least we have the choice if we are more comfortable with one language over the other.

I am excited to check out CloudKit!

3D view debuging in xcode. https://developer.apple.com/xcode/ OMG

https://developer.apple.com/swift/ https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/LandingPage/index.html Stupid job. So much to read so little time.

We need to make a list of all the apps/services that Apple just sent a bullet towards today!! cause a lot are in intensive care right now!

Hi @KennedyE. I'll take a guess that you're an Android user and listed the comments in this blog: http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/01/technology/mobile/apple-wwdc/ as interesting to help us see how Android is "better" or "winning" or whatever. OK, no worries, the remarks are interesting banter but really not much for than a debate between Android and iOS users. This thread will be updated with our (Buzztouch) perspective on the announcement at this years WWDC. Not the competitive nature of Android vs iOS. Still processing news.... d.

Thanks for the update David! I remember seeing the forum quiver in anticipation last year with BT 3.0 and iOS 7 (we were not disappointed :D). Hopefully you get a chance to catch a breath and ENJOY the new technology before you are sink deep in the updates! I'll wait. Seriously. It's always an adventure (especially for a forum lurker - like me :D), might as well enjoy it. P.S. KennedyE is our Android Advocate (to put it lightly) it'll take a strong hand to turn him from the Dark Side :D All the best, -Cake

Yes, but you see, my point is not really competition, my point is to make plugin developers see the importance of android now, its great future and profitability also; and begin doing something about it now. Its for the good of the plugin developers also... not everyone can just see the mobile future, but I dare to say that I have seen the future of mobile, it belongs to android.

Thanks David for the update. Farcat

Following this thread. Very interesting and exciting times to come!

@KennedyE - "but I dare to say that I have seen the future of mobile, it belongs to android" - :P that is definitely the most dramatic and epic comment concerning software development that I have ever seen. I think you missed the point of David's post...nobody is subscribing to this thread to hear about Android. Obviously Android is a great OS with all kinds of great things going for it, but this thread was not created for the purpose of discussing Android Every time anybody posts in this thread, we all get an email - when we open that email, we are all hoping it is some exciting new info about the upcoming changes for iOS. To click the link and see a comment about the inevitable triumph of Android over iOS is just a waste of everyones time All that being said, I'm not going to derail this thread by answering any responses to this post. PM me if you want to discuss it further. I'm not trying to start an argument here - just simply trying to clarify the point in David's post that you seemed to completely ignore

I will say, I just finished reading 'A Haunted Empire' before WWDC started. That book is pretty down on Apple but makes some good points. Was looking to see how Apple would find a way to disrupt the market again. Not sure whether Swift or Metal will disrupt the consumer market, but I think the announcements could bring disruptions to the developer market. And that's good news for us! I'm thinking we need a new category for plugins:extensions.... If only I could get Internet before this Friday! (moving sucks...)

For the noobs -- tap on the upper-right corner button at the beginning of this post to subscribe without making a comment. -- Niraj

From Ray Wenderlich http://www.raywenderlich.com/73967/swift-cheat-sheet-and-quick-reference There’s a lot of new syntax in Swift, so I thought it might be useful if if I put together a cheat sheet / quick reference on the language. Swift Cheat Sheet and Quick Reference It summarizes the most important Swift syntax on one page to get you up to speed quickly, including: - Class Implementation - Methods - Creating/Using an Object - Declaring Variables - Control Flow - String Quick Examples - Array Quick Examples - Dictionary Quick Examples I’ve made sure to use only materials available to the public in the creation of this. http://cdn2.raywenderlich.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/RW-Swift-Cheatsheet-0_3.pdf

In less than 24 hours -> Flappy Bird in Swift for iOS 8 https://github.com/fullstackio/FlappySwift

Just to clarify, swift will be optional, right? We should still be able to submit regular objective C projects just like we have been if we choose not to use any swift in our projects? So basically, if I updated on of my apps, there should be nothing thats needs upgraded from a code point of view from my iOS 7 code to my iOS8 submission, right?

I just started another post. I loaded up an existing app of mine into Xcode 6 beta without a problem Dave

Thanks Niraj!! This is very helpful!! Brian

Here is a site devoted to Swift: http://www.swiftlang.eu/ and the manual is here: http://book.swiftlang.eu/

This will be discussed at the Developer Meeting today. The meeting is at 1:00PM Pacific time. I hope you can make it! P.S. This is a members only event. We are limited to the first 26 that attend. When we do go over 26, it is usually for only a few minutes. So if you can't get in on first try, try again in a few minutes.

Will be interesting for sure.

Just heard that Swift will support iOS 7 and Up... (reference: Apple's WWDC "Platforms State of the Union"). Therefore (I personally) will wait until one or two generations of iOS have progressed before using Swift in most apps.

89% of devices are now on iOS 7 ... That tells me similar numbers will be achieved for iOS 8 ... At an even faster rate due to the pent-up demand for iPhone 6. Can you keep all those numbering schemes in your head?! :-) When BT went to v3, I moved right over to iOS 7 only development. It's not worth the trouble being backwards compatible. Especially when Apple is putting all those devices on an easy update cycle. I feel sorry for those Android chaps! -- Niraj

@Niraj Shah, You defiantly got a point, I make usually sure to support older devices (no one likes to be left out!) and there are many reasons why (from a developer and user standpoint) that I do that... Maybe this is a good discussions starter :P Don't get me wrong, I am diving completely in to all the new goodies WWDC is offering to developers. Hopefully I can get these new 4,000 Developer API's down in the next few weeks! LOL -Cake

Also, If anyone missed the last developer webinar, Susan uploaded the latest video (which talked about Swift and WWDC) to youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tycBd1eIWg8

I think it used to be more important to be backwards compatible, before Apple made it so easy to update devices. A few years ago I would hear all the time that family couldn't download my apps, and now I never hear that.

Hi gang. It's official. WWDC is over. Things to consider...news....how it affects / doesn't affect BT, you, your end users. Briefly of course. It's a forum afterall :-) iOS 8 / Extensibility ------------------ Not a huge change. Minor updates as expected. Unlike the dramatic shift from iOS6 > iOS 7, iOS8 brings of incremental improvements. Some are uber-cool and could be considered significant. I think their minor and natural additions to an ever maturing OS. The biggest change to the next release of iOS is the idea of Extensibility. Apps talking to apps is a huge (and long overdue) feature. It doesn't change iOS itself but does make it much more flexible. "Widgets" int the notification area are part of this. In the past, the only way to expose any useful app-to-app data sharing was by way of specially formatted URL's. This worked, to some degree, but had huge limitations. There are few resources available but this video is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPU8FuSjavE HealthKit / HomeKit ------------------ New Frameworks. No comments on these, I think most of us understand how Frameworks make our lives easier as developers. These two new frameworks could prove very powerful. HealthKit feels like a move we've expected. HomeKit feels like a move we did'nt expect. The talk of the town has been all about health apps, wearables, etc so this isn't surprising. But, besides Nest (Google aquired) and their hyper-cool home thermostat, "home" stuff has been relatively quit. Not anymore, expect a ton of "home devices" to work with iOS 8. Public Beta Downloads / TestFlight ---------------------------------- This is exciting, and scary at the same time. I think we all agree that Apple's method of controlling the entire app distribution process is bad. Real bad. Draconian comes to mind. Their aquisition of TestFlight (a company that tried to help in these areas) caused some concerns last year. Now we know why. Apple's announcing this a feature as cool thing, an improvement. It's my opinion that it's simply another way to control far more than they should. It looks like we, the developers can have up to 25 "internal testers" and 1000 "external" testers of our app builds. But, with a 30 day time out (apps stop working in a month), a required approval process, and a few other details, this isn't a feature at all. To me it's another spin on an already over complicated distirbution process. Why not build > upload > downlod > install. Duh. Makes way too much sense I guess? Trying not to rant here. Anyway, public beta download feature is neat but don't look for any truely free way to distribute software you make for apple - not soon at least. Swift ------------ The internet lit up on Monday with this announcement. Trust me, it's not a big deal. Yet. It could be, and likely will be, but it's not today. It's another programming language. Don't we have enough of these already? This news, as far as I'm concerned is not much more than "hey, our compiler can compile Swift now, along with Objective C". OK, cool. If I want to write in Swift now I can. Great. Swift has some neat features (as far as programming languages go) but at the end of the day, it's just another way to tell the computer what we want. I dont' see this as gamechanging, at all. Pay attention to Swift, it may or may not take off. Apple may force it to (no longer supporting Objective C comes to mind) but that will take a few years. Literally. Overall, the announcements at this years WWDC don't affect Buzztouch or your apps a great deal. Sure, you can start making plugins that do different things (with new Frameworks, Extensibility, etc) but fundamentally there isn't a ton going on here. Incremental changes are fantastic, that's what were seeing. This is good. I'm happy to hear the beta iOS8 release isn't breaking everyones projects - unlike last year! LOL. Cheers... David

The future is bright! Great summation good sir. Small change is good..... this time. Big and small announcements. Exciting times ahead.

Thanks for the update

Cool. I'm going back to bed. ;) Cheers! -- Smug

I am relieved that we can continue to work with v 3.0, and continue improving upon 3.0.

Awesome summary David, that's all great news. :)

Thanks for the thoughtful analysis, David! It is indeed assuring that nothing alarming is broken in BuzzTouch v3. Apple has laid the groundwork for the next few big things to happen. My crystal ball says Apple will embed Swift into Safari in a few years. With minor changes, your iOS Swift-based app will run in the Browser. Have a look at Google's Native Client technology for Chrome -- it's the same objective, in a different way. Also, remember that Swift is already packaged as a runtime engine via the iOS Simulator -- which means it can be embedded into Safari. I am ready to marvel at the seasoned veterans and at the new developers entering the ecosystem. They will create the things we've not yet imagined. -- Niraj

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